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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tablighi-jamaat.com/en/mufti-saeed-ahmad-palanpuri-on-maulana-saad/#comment-2762&quot;&gt;Follower of Haqq&lt;/a&gt;.

An Ameer needs to be appointed,  Maulana Saad was never appointed. He violated the &lt;a href=&quot;https://tablighi-jamaat.com/en/maulana-saads-treacherous-violation-1995-agreement/&quot; rel=&quot;ugc&quot;&gt;1995 agreement&lt;/a&gt; and his proposal (to be the Ameer) was rejected in the &lt;a href=&quot;https://tablighi-jamaat.com/en/2015-raiwind-mashwara/&quot; rel=&quot;ugc&quot;&gt;2015 Raiwind Mashwara&lt;/a&gt;

There are is a Sahih Hadith in Bukhari about following an un-appointed Ameer.

[Narrated by Ibn Abbas RA in a lengthy narration]... Remember that whoever gives the pledge of allegiance to anybody without consulting the other Muslims, neither that person nor the person to whom the pledge of allegiance was given, are to be supported, lest they both should be killed (&lt;a href=&quot;https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6830&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Bukhari:6830&lt;/a&gt;)

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tablighi-jamaat.com/en/mufti-saeed-ahmad-palanpuri-on-maulana-saad/#comment-2762">Follower of Haqq</a>.</p>
<p>An Ameer needs to be appointed,  Maulana Saad was never appointed. He violated the <a href="https://tablighi-jamaat.com/en/maulana-saads-treacherous-violation-1995-agreement/" rel="ugc">1995 agreement</a> and his proposal (to be the Ameer) was rejected in the <a href="https://tablighi-jamaat.com/en/2015-raiwind-mashwara/" rel="ugc">2015 Raiwind Mashwara</a></p>
<p>There are is a Sahih Hadith in Bukhari about following an un-appointed Ameer.</p>
<p>[Narrated by Ibn Abbas RA in a lengthy narration]&#8230; Remember that whoever gives the pledge of allegiance to anybody without consulting the other Muslims, neither that person nor the person to whom the pledge of allegiance was given, are to be supported, lest they both should be killed (<a href="https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6830" rel="nofollow ugc">Bukhari:6830</a>)</p>
<p>Disclaimer: We do not advocate or suggest any sort of violence to the followers of Maulana Saad</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[More than 20 years ago, Hadhratji Maulana Inamul Hassan Saab (Rah) before his death made a council of Shura (referred to Elders Jamat) by selecting few members from all over the world. This council was also referred as Ahle-Hal-wal-Aqad consisted of:

1. Respected Maulana Saeed Ahmed Khan Saab (Rah)

2. Respected Mufti Zainul Aabideen Saab (Rah)

3. Respected Maulana Omar Palanpuri Saab (Rah)

4. Respected Maulana Izhaar ul Hasan Saab (Rah)

5. Respected Maulana Zubair ul Hasan Saab (Rah)

6. Respected Miyaji Mihrab Saab (Rah)

7. Respected Haji Abdul Wahab Saab (Rah)

8. Respected Haji Engineer Abdul Muqeet Saab (Rah)

9. Respected Haji Afzal saab (Rah)

10. Respected Moulana Saad saab (DB)

The Ameer and Faisal (Decision maker) of this Elders Jamat was Hadhrat Miyaji Mihrab saab (rah). Hadhratji Maulana Inaam ul Hasan saab (Rah) wanted to follow the footsteps of Hadhrat Omar bin Khattab (radhi Allah anho) so that this Jamat should make an Ameer for the effort of Dawat after his demise. Hence after the demise of Hazratji (Rah) this Jamat stayed in Markaz and Mashwarahs were done for 3 consecutive days. Subsequently a jamaat of 3 Zimmidaar/Ameers were chosen instead of a Single Ameer due to certain settings, and situations. These 3 Zimmidaar/Ameer were:

1. Respected Maulana Izhaar ul Hasan saab (Rah)

2. Respected Maulana Zubair ul Hasan saab (Rah)

3. Respected Maulana Saad saab (DB)

This was accomplished even though some Ulama/Ahle Ilm were not gratified with this decision. In contrary to the situation Maulana Mufti Aashique Ilahi Bulandsheri (Muhajir Madani) said that “Ameer should only be one”.

The mentioned above Zimmidaar/Ameers use to be Ameer/Faisal (decision maker) turn by turn. After few months, Respected Moulana Izhaar ul Hasan saab (Rah) passed away. Since then the remaining two Elders used to be Faisal (decisionmaker) turn by turn and whenever one of them was away the other elder used to be the Ameer. Never did it happen that the (Elders) jamaat ever came together for Mashwarah to add a third individual in the list of Ameer/Faisal(decision makers).

It is apparent that after the demise of Respected Hadhrat Moulana Zubair ul Hasan saab (Rah), Hadhrat Moulana Saad saab (DB) is the only standing decision maker in Markaz-Nizamuddin.

Now the real Sunnah is being revived. As Rasulullah ﷺ has said (to nearest meaning): If there are three of you, make one among you an Ameer. (reported by Bazaar).

Ulama have explained this hadith by providing few analogies, if 3 people are travelling or are in a jungle/desert, one should be selected as their Ameer. So Tablighi Jamat which does not consist of ONLY 3 people but in millions which are spread all over different towns, villages, cities, and countries working for extraction of evil, and spreading of virtue, should this Jamat not have an Ameer?

In order to keep up the unison, unity, and unanimity among the Muslims, an Ameer has to be followed. The hadith of Rasulullah ﷺ is the evidence necessary to pursue the fact that it is an obligation on Muslims to choose an Ameer for themselves. (Neel-ul-Awtaar)

In contradiction to the present Ameer, if anyone would like to become an Ameer, Rasulullah ﷺ has admonished of such a person in the most undesirable reprimanding. Hadhrat Maulana Saeed Ahmed Khan Saab (Rah) several times used to say with great regret “Alas! We were not able to choose a single Ameer.”

The successors of Tabligh do not have the right to overturn the decision made by the predecessors of Tabligh. The Elders Jamat which was made by Hadhratji Maulana Inam ul Hasan Sab (Rah) got together for only one time in Markaz Nizamuddin for the sole purpose of deciding the Ameer and never again did they got together for any other purpose.

Rather they left this world doing Tabligh while Obeying their elders. Thus, all the actions by the “Elders Jamat” made by Hadhratji, provides us incumbent evidence that proves this Elders Jamat was only made to serve the purpose of choosing an Ameer. In similar fashion, the shura made by Hadhrat Omar (Rad) fulfilled the purpose of choosing an Ameer and then stayed in the obedience of the selected Zimmidaar/Ameer.

The practice of making a Jamat consisting of various Zimmidaar/Ameer in the form of Shura, where the decision is made turn by turn is not acceptable in ISLAM. Neither it has been portrayed by Rasulullah ﷺ while sending Jamaats nor it has been proved by the lives of Sahaba-Ikram (Rad). Moreover, the Four-Imams have not mentioned it to be a recommended practice in their respective Schools of thought.

Alhamdullilah, since his inception, Maulana Saad Sahab (Db) is following the footsteps of our Elders Maulana Ilyas Sahab (Rah), Moulana Yousuf Sahab (Rah) and Moulana Inamul Hassan Sahab (Rah). An Ameer has the right to add/edit /subtract some working methodologies in order to elevate the workers to another level (like Moulana Yousuf Sahab (Rah) introduced Hayaatus Sahaba and Maulana Inamul-Hassan Sahab (Rah) introduced 5 A’maal – these methodologies are way of work and Shariah is not being hampered)

Ahle-Batil want to destroy the importance, reputation, and Markaziyat (Obedience to Markaz with collectiveness) of Nizamuddin. They plan to corrupt the effort of Tabligh, and root it out from the world. Due to the same reason, people are rising against Markaz Nizamuddin, and Maulana Saad Sahab (DB), working on assassinating his character by spreading rumours. The Messenger of Allaah ﷺ said: “It is enough lying for a man to speak of everything that he hears.” Narrated by Muslim in al-Muqaddimah, 6; Saheeh al-Jaami, 4482.

“It is a plea from the entire Ummah to stay against the propaganda created by the media and Ahle-Batil and make special du’as for the protection of the Markaz-Nizamuddin. Furthermore, everyone needs to increase their daily effort, infiradi a’maal, put on an effort to join the Ummah towards unity, and Ijtimaiyyath (collectiveness).” Mufti Saeed Omar Hashmi Mazahari-Qasmi

To conclude, few Hadith in relation to this matter might help understand the importance of the situation.

Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: Whoever dislikes something of the Ameer then he should be patient as whoever separates the size of a palm from the sultan then his death would be of Jahiliya. (Sahih Bukhari Kitab ul Fitan Vol. 9 pg 59 and Sahih Muslim Kitab ul Emiraate Vol.2 pg134)

Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: Whoever leaves from the obedience (of the Ameer)and separates from the Jamaat (dies in that state) would die the death of Jahiliya. (Sahih Muslim Kitab ul Emiraate Vol. 2 pg 135)

Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: Listen and obey (Ameer’s order) even if an Ethiopian slave is made (Ameer) on you whose head is (the size of) a raisin. (Sahih Bukhari Kitab ul Ahkaam Vol. 9 pg78)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than 20 years ago, Hadhratji Maulana Inamul Hassan Saab (Rah) before his death made a council of Shura (referred to Elders Jamat) by selecting few members from all over the world. This council was also referred as Ahle-Hal-wal-Aqad consisted of:</p>
<p>1. Respected Maulana Saeed Ahmed Khan Saab (Rah)</p>
<p>2. Respected Mufti Zainul Aabideen Saab (Rah)</p>
<p>3. Respected Maulana Omar Palanpuri Saab (Rah)</p>
<p>4. Respected Maulana Izhaar ul Hasan Saab (Rah)</p>
<p>5. Respected Maulana Zubair ul Hasan Saab (Rah)</p>
<p>6. Respected Miyaji Mihrab Saab (Rah)</p>
<p>7. Respected Haji Abdul Wahab Saab (Rah)</p>
<p>8. Respected Haji Engineer Abdul Muqeet Saab (Rah)</p>
<p>9. Respected Haji Afzal saab (Rah)</p>
<p>10. Respected Moulana Saad saab (DB)</p>
<p>The Ameer and Faisal (Decision maker) of this Elders Jamat was Hadhrat Miyaji Mihrab saab (rah). Hadhratji Maulana Inaam ul Hasan saab (Rah) wanted to follow the footsteps of Hadhrat Omar bin Khattab (radhi Allah anho) so that this Jamat should make an Ameer for the effort of Dawat after his demise. Hence after the demise of Hazratji (Rah) this Jamat stayed in Markaz and Mashwarahs were done for 3 consecutive days. Subsequently a jamaat of 3 Zimmidaar/Ameers were chosen instead of a Single Ameer due to certain settings, and situations. These 3 Zimmidaar/Ameer were:</p>
<p>1. Respected Maulana Izhaar ul Hasan saab (Rah)</p>
<p>2. Respected Maulana Zubair ul Hasan saab (Rah)</p>
<p>3. Respected Maulana Saad saab (DB)</p>
<p>This was accomplished even though some Ulama/Ahle Ilm were not gratified with this decision. In contrary to the situation Maulana Mufti Aashique Ilahi Bulandsheri (Muhajir Madani) said that “Ameer should only be one”.</p>
<p>The mentioned above Zimmidaar/Ameers use to be Ameer/Faisal (decision maker) turn by turn. After few months, Respected Moulana Izhaar ul Hasan saab (Rah) passed away. Since then the remaining two Elders used to be Faisal (decisionmaker) turn by turn and whenever one of them was away the other elder used to be the Ameer. Never did it happen that the (Elders) jamaat ever came together for Mashwarah to add a third individual in the list of Ameer/Faisal(decision makers).</p>
<p>It is apparent that after the demise of Respected Hadhrat Moulana Zubair ul Hasan saab (Rah), Hadhrat Moulana Saad saab (DB) is the only standing decision maker in Markaz-Nizamuddin.</p>
<p>Now the real Sunnah is being revived. As Rasulullah ﷺ has said (to nearest meaning): If there are three of you, make one among you an Ameer. (reported by Bazaar).</p>
<p>Ulama have explained this hadith by providing few analogies, if 3 people are travelling or are in a jungle/desert, one should be selected as their Ameer. So Tablighi Jamat which does not consist of ONLY 3 people but in millions which are spread all over different towns, villages, cities, and countries working for extraction of evil, and spreading of virtue, should this Jamat not have an Ameer?</p>
<p>In order to keep up the unison, unity, and unanimity among the Muslims, an Ameer has to be followed. The hadith of Rasulullah ﷺ is the evidence necessary to pursue the fact that it is an obligation on Muslims to choose an Ameer for themselves. (Neel-ul-Awtaar)</p>
<p>In contradiction to the present Ameer, if anyone would like to become an Ameer, Rasulullah ﷺ has admonished of such a person in the most undesirable reprimanding. Hadhrat Maulana Saeed Ahmed Khan Saab (Rah) several times used to say with great regret “Alas! We were not able to choose a single Ameer.”</p>
<p>The successors of Tabligh do not have the right to overturn the decision made by the predecessors of Tabligh. The Elders Jamat which was made by Hadhratji Maulana Inam ul Hasan Sab (Rah) got together for only one time in Markaz Nizamuddin for the sole purpose of deciding the Ameer and never again did they got together for any other purpose.</p>
<p>Rather they left this world doing Tabligh while Obeying their elders. Thus, all the actions by the “Elders Jamat” made by Hadhratji, provides us incumbent evidence that proves this Elders Jamat was only made to serve the purpose of choosing an Ameer. In similar fashion, the shura made by Hadhrat Omar (Rad) fulfilled the purpose of choosing an Ameer and then stayed in the obedience of the selected Zimmidaar/Ameer.</p>
<p>The practice of making a Jamat consisting of various Zimmidaar/Ameer in the form of Shura, where the decision is made turn by turn is not acceptable in ISLAM. Neither it has been portrayed by Rasulullah ﷺ while sending Jamaats nor it has been proved by the lives of Sahaba-Ikram (Rad). Moreover, the Four-Imams have not mentioned it to be a recommended practice in their respective Schools of thought.</p>
<p>Alhamdullilah, since his inception, Maulana Saad Sahab (Db) is following the footsteps of our Elders Maulana Ilyas Sahab (Rah), Moulana Yousuf Sahab (Rah) and Moulana Inamul Hassan Sahab (Rah). An Ameer has the right to add/edit /subtract some working methodologies in order to elevate the workers to another level (like Moulana Yousuf Sahab (Rah) introduced Hayaatus Sahaba and Maulana Inamul-Hassan Sahab (Rah) introduced 5 A’maal – these methodologies are way of work and Shariah is not being hampered)</p>
<p>Ahle-Batil want to destroy the importance, reputation, and Markaziyat (Obedience to Markaz with collectiveness) of Nizamuddin. They plan to corrupt the effort of Tabligh, and root it out from the world. Due to the same reason, people are rising against Markaz Nizamuddin, and Maulana Saad Sahab (DB), working on assassinating his character by spreading rumours. The Messenger of Allaah ﷺ said: “It is enough lying for a man to speak of everything that he hears.” Narrated by Muslim in al-Muqaddimah, 6; Saheeh al-Jaami, 4482.</p>
<p>“It is a plea from the entire Ummah to stay against the propaganda created by the media and Ahle-Batil and make special du’as for the protection of the Markaz-Nizamuddin. Furthermore, everyone needs to increase their daily effort, infiradi a’maal, put on an effort to join the Ummah towards unity, and Ijtimaiyyath (collectiveness).” Mufti Saeed Omar Hashmi Mazahari-Qasmi</p>
<p>To conclude, few Hadith in relation to this matter might help understand the importance of the situation.</p>
<p>Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: Whoever dislikes something of the Ameer then he should be patient as whoever separates the size of a palm from the sultan then his death would be of Jahiliya. (Sahih Bukhari Kitab ul Fitan Vol. 9 pg 59 and Sahih Muslim Kitab ul Emiraate Vol.2 pg134)</p>
<p>Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: Whoever leaves from the obedience (of the Ameer)and separates from the Jamaat (dies in that state) would die the death of Jahiliya. (Sahih Muslim Kitab ul Emiraate Vol. 2 pg 135)</p>
<p>Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: Listen and obey (Ameer’s order) even if an Ethiopian slave is made (Ameer) on you whose head is (the size of) a raisin. (Sahih Bukhari Kitab ul Ahkaam Vol. 9 pg78)</p>
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